. >> my name is steve, i work in news business. to the extent that you all have been familiar with pl or ep, share some anecdotes if you could about a plan the stage manager and keeping these people on time. >> i will tell you a quick anecdote. my first debate in 1988, george bush versus michael dukakis -- halfway into the debate, the light cues -- the time queues were lights. greenlight said you could talk, and yellow light was start wrapping it up, and yellow light was -- rabbi was shut up. -- rabbi was shut up. -- red light was shut up. in my ear i heard the voice of the executive producer saying that he had more time. in front of everybody i had known in my whole life i said, "mr. vice president, you're right." he said, "i forgot what i was going to say." i wanted the biggest hole in the world to drop in. i am not color blind. i still do not know how i got it wrong. >> i am a national columnist's club member. what do it gingrich have won after his debate in south carolina if he had repeated that performance instead of falling a